Archive for August, 2009

The Problem and Advantages of Craig’s List

Monday, August 31st, 2009

First off I want to say that Craig’s List is NOT a bad job board. However, simply by the nature of it’s structure, there are some problems with it as a job search tool.

The main problem is that it’s very easy for companies to hide their name. In fact, companies have to specifically list their company name in order for it to appear, Unlike most job boards, there is no “company name field” that needs to be filled out.

This is a big advantage for employers that don’t want to be pestered with phone calls, etc. when they post a job.

Also, the default anonymous email address is a godsend for employers.

The problem for job seekers is two fold.

1. The job seeker has no idea who the employer is. It could be some evil person in some 3rd world country trying to extract money from the job seeker’s bank account. I don’t think that happens very often because the Craig’s List people check out job postings. However, not knowing who the company is makes some job seekers reluctant to just blindly email the personal information required to get a job interview. Craig’s List is a great tool for accumulating resumes of job seekers for position that MAY be opening up. And it’s free in a lot of cities. So, the incentive is there to just go resume harvesting.

2. No replies – My brother was job hunting recently. He said he responded to about 50 job postings on Craig’s List. He receive maybe 2 replies. A lot of companies that don’t list their name feel that they don’t need to reply to job seekers. If they do reply, they risk having to receive follow-up emails, etc. Too bad for you Mr./Ms Job Seeker.

The advantage of using Craig’s List for job seekers is that it’s very easy to apply to job postings. You just email resume to the anonymous email address. Think of it as having a big handful of darts. If you through them at a dart board all at once, you just might get a bulls eye.

So, companies can use Craig’s List without accountability. They can post jobs that may or may not exist and no one will know. Job seekers are often times sending their resume to someone they don’t know.

I think Craig’s List should make some changes to increase the transparency of employer job postings. I’m quite certain they will get right on it! :-)

One final thought from an employers perspective. We posted a job on Craig’s List and received lots of resumes. However, only one was from a local person that matched the skills we were looking for. Also, I talked to another employer a while back. He stated that out of 25 applications, only 2 people actually sent complete resumes. These are indeed anecdotal examples. I’d like to hear if other employers experience similar results.

-Sam

Obvious Bad Job Boards

Friday, August 28th, 2009

I have received a lot of emails about some clear signs of what makes a bad job board. Since they didn’t post directly to this site, I’ll respect their privacy. Here are a couple of the most important things that were brought up.

1. Privacy Policy
Most sites will have one. But, do they say how your information will be protected? Some actually admit that they information will be shared. Usually, you have to dig through lots of leagal mumbo jumbo in order to find that information. It’s in THEIR best interest to bury it as deep as possible.

In reality, you are NOT going to actually read all that stuff. You just want to see job postings. They know that so they can “be honest”. In the event someone goes after them because they got burned, they can just say it’s on page 53 in our privacy policy statement.

2. Lack of contact information
If the job board does not list a physical address, there must be some reason for it. Contact Us forms or email links are not acceptable. The job board should clearly list the company or organization name that runs it, a phone number and a physical address of the headquarters.

Stay tuned for more to come on how to identify BAD JOB BOARDS and how to protect yourself.

Keep the feedback coming via email or via comments on this site. Let’s work together to clean up the Internet employment industry!

-Sam

Enter bad job board here.

Thursday, August 27th, 2009

Enter a comment about a bad job board you found by clicking on the comments link below.

JobsRadar.com

Thursday, August 27th, 2009

JobsRadar.com

OK, here’s an example. I searched for jobs in Google. In the sponsored ads I saw JobsRadar.com. JobsRadar.com shows an Indeed.com like interface. I entered Accountant in Minneapolis, MN.

It showed me a few accountant jobs then asked me to complete a form in order to see all the jobs in my area.

It looks like a site that wants to sell you education.

That’s a lot of unnecessary hoops to go through in order to find and respond to job postings.

JobsRadar.com is a BAD JOB BOARD

About this site and what we are trying to do

Wednesday, August 26th, 2009

Back in the olden days when we started MINNESOTAJOBS.COM (1995) finding a job on the internet was pretty easy. You searched for a job type or job location, a web site would appear, you’d search for a job, find one you like and email the employer.

Things have changed dramatically from those old innocent days. Now job postings are spewed throughout the Internet showing up in the strangest places. Often it might take many clicks in order to actually get the an “Apply” button.

We all have to live with this change. However, there’s one thing that needs to be fixed and that is identifying and hopefully removing bad job boards.

Bad job boards have the following characteristics.

  1. You see a job listed on google, you click on the link and are taken to a registration page.
  2. Job boards scrape jobs from other job web sites and have an apply button. Clicking on the apply button yields a big form asking for all kinds of personal information. You complete the form and you get a “Thank you” screen and lots of new spam email. Your information is never sent to the employer.
  3. You click on a job link from google (bing, yahoo, etc) and are presented with a page telling you about a lot of great schools you can attend if you complete a lengthy form asking for personal information.
  4. You misspell a job board name in the address bar and are sent to a parked web site that lists google adword links (or other paid sponsor links) that may or may not have anything to do with jobs.

There are probably several other bad job boards. This is just a beginning list. I’ll add more to it as I become aware of them.

Help out other job seekers and employers by listing bad job boards here. Of course, each entry will be checked to see if it’s legitimate.

For now, I’d like to limit postings to listing a job board and mentioning why its bad. Rants about bad experiences with major job boards may be edited or not posted based on nebulous decision making processes I may incorporate at any given time.

I want this Web site to be a reference site, not a rant site. We’ll see how it goes.

In future posts, I’ll provide some basic advice on how to spot bad sites and recognize good sites. I’m open to any ideas you folks might have as well.

Sam Morse

CEO

Trumor Inc.

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